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Chris's avatar

Forget that shedding it doesn’t exist and ivermectin can cause a horde of problems I assure you I would be willing to stake my life on that. We do respect, these things are all based on fear to distract you from the truth of living like a real human being fear is the true contagion , The only evil contagion . There is nothing to FEAR!

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Chris's avatar

The problem is this, if we continue to believe in germ theory this will never end it will be one virus after the next one contagion after the next pretty soon it will be leprosy for God sake and people will be thinking their nose is about to fall off. This lie needs to stop in its tracks or humanity is doomed that’s not hyperbole we’re done if you don’t wake the hell up there are no contagions they’re lying to you the government is lying to you, the big Pharma is lying to you, your doctor is unknowingly lying to you.

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Gwyneth's avatar

The premise that we are born defective and require the injection of diseases and toxins to acquire or maintain good health is ludicrous and defies all common sense and logic. Germ theory (note the word theory) and its concommitant pharmaceutical weaponry has been used and continues to be used to camouflage the ongoing poisonous assault upon this planet and humanity. It is the terrain, both inner and outer that matters, not viruses or bacteria.

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Chris's avatar

I couldn’t have said that better if I tried really really hard in practice for a week

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Chris's avatar

Yes, I’m around and checked with clients all day long I’m around Client who claimed to have the cousin of omicron twice removed etc. etc. etc. I’m wired between San Diego and Dallas twice a month I work in insane schedule I never get sick ! (Detox). And to make matters worse I don’t even have an immune system , But neither does anyone else

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Chris's avatar

Around injected clients

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Gwyneth's avatar

A greater part of my immune system is the capacity to smell a rat.

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Chris's avatar

Four Factors of disease, nutrition, toxic exposure, EM radiation exposures and stress. None of these have anything to do with so-called germs, bacteria or viruses. And because there are no contagions, there is nothing to be immune from , hence There is no immune system

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Gwyneth's avatar

I think immunity comprises far more than the physiologic.

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Myriam's avatar

In the indigenous and shamanic traditions, which I am currently studying, there is no differentiation between the immune system and the emotional body.

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Myriam's avatar

How do I restack your comment?! 👏🏼👏🏼

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Gwyneth's avatar

I am appreciative that you wish to restack this comment, however, I am a bit of a dinosaur when it comes to tech. You would have to ask someone else.

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Myriam's avatar

I think I have to do it on my desktop! Thank you! We think alike. I’ve been on the wholistic path 45 years. I just love the way you worded it!

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Gwyneth's avatar

Thank you, it was carefully thought out, born of experience.

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Ingrid Sykes's avatar

I have read a fair bit about terrain. As a herbalist, I tend to treat the person, rather than the symptoms or the perceived disease and support/strengthen body to return to health. However, I would be interested in how you see ‘German Measles’ .

My 5yr old ‘caught’ it along with half her class, a week later her 3yr old sibling experienced the same symptoms: fatigue, malaise, then fever and eruption of multiple, itchy blisters all over the body. Nothing like it before or since and most of the class (and siblings) experienced the same thing. All made a full recovery, though one classmate was hospitalised as the ‘virus had gone deeper and affected nervous system’.

How do you explain the mechanism here? Thoughts appreciated.

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Gwyneth's avatar

We had measles parties when I was a child. All the mothers in the neighbourhood sent their daughters to our house when my sister and I evidenced both measles and German measles. Firstly, the rash is not a virus but rather the body's response to something and I think it might be a sign of immune maturation. Certainly, if a child is well nourished, has clean water and sanitation, the rite of passage is just that. A rite of passage and not a disease. It can be deadly if children are starving and grossly deficient in Vitamin A.

Interestingly, the German High Court ruled that the measles virus was not proven to exist in a landmark case. Also of interest, the "measles virus" (vaccine) has been used to cure children of cancer.

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Ingrid Sykes's avatar

Thanks for replying. But what was the infectious agent? What was being passed round. Certainly better nourished children (plus good Vit A levels) aids recovery, but that doesn’t get around the infectious agent concept.

I think I can neither reject nor embrace germ theory (or terrain theory.)

I still end up treating the person in front of me.

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Gwyneth's avatar

Absolutely. I think the question is whether there is actually an infectious agent or perhaps a detox mechanism at work.

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Myriam's avatar

🎯🎯🎯🎯

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Avalanche's avatar

"What was being passed round."

I'm about 85% that viruses don't exist, awaiting further investigation. I can absolutely accept that a lot of the "I caught it from my sister" is contamination, NOT infection by invisible particle!

Dr Lee Merritt covers the 1918 "flu pandemic" that wasn't one, in great detail in some of her videos and on her site. Her historical research absolutely makes clear THEY were lied to just as WE are! (AND, the ... apparent causes and destruction eerily (or not!) line up nicely with what we just went through!

Merritt points out that the origin of the word "influenza" is INFLUENCE! It's a toxin, a poison, something in the environment that CAUSES illness. If you 'caught' something and then your sister and/or schoolmate does -- why would it NOT be from being around the same toxins?

What was that research from some years ago?

People with FAT friends tend to GET fat! That ain't "infection" -- that's eating habits and partying!

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Chris, we are in agreement that fear is a big problem and the prime driver behind much of what we have seen over the past few years. If viruses and bacteria do not exist and what we are seeing is a result of toxins then how are they transmitted? If I have been exposed to a toxin and have a reaction then somehow pass that toxin on to another it will be a lesser amount than I was exposed to. If that person subsequently passes some of the remaining toxin on to another still it will be a lower exposure yet. The effect will dampen out over time. I have brought illness into my home with a certain symptom set and severity and my spouse has contracted this illness with the same symptom set but with more severity. I am hard pressed to explain that in a toxin-only paradigm. Please be well and be strong.

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Chris's avatar

Yes I totally understand what you’re saying and my nutrition coach when he expresses to me years ago I thought he was totally insane quite frankly. So there are many things in many reasons why you might think contagion exist and I totally see your point What the true scientific evidence does not bear out germ theory at all it actually contradicts it if you look at the studies of the so-called Spanish flu you will see that it wasn’t the flu at all but rather poisonous injection so-called vaccination that caused the mass death attributable to the Spanish flu US Army doctors tried in three different serious experiments to prove contagion with the Spanish flu and they all failed miserably When multiple families come down with something like let’s say a cold you can say or see that they were all exposed to the same thing the same food, The same environmental conditions that is to say toxins etc. and there is something called human residence that is to say when one person Is starting to detoxify poisons somehow that might suggest to the other person it’s also time to detoxify. Like leaves falling from a tree during a certain seasonal time . I remember his study a very unethical study by the United States government (CIA) in which they took prostitutes with gonorrhea and sought out lonely men to have sex with them, free of charge paid for of course! Paid with our tax dollars( going to good use as ever ) these lonely men never ever contracted gonorrhea( allegedly highly contagious ) from these prostitutes who were said to be infected by the alleged STD. Now certainly the poor prostitutes were ill but not with a contagion but rather with a detoxification of their genitals which were routinely exposed to abuse and toxins

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Mir's avatar

"..US Army doctors tried in three different serious experiments to prove contagion with the Spanish flu and they all failed miserably.."

Why haven't they hidden this if their power is so big they can rewrite history in any form they want. Am I overestimating their control or is this an intentional exposure?

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Lisa Thomas's avatar

What toxin causes worts? Why does Molluscum Contagiosum spread all over the body unless the original lesion is identified early and treated? I would like to believe that viruses don't exist and I'm willing to acknowledge but also question my beliefs.

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Chris's avatar

Well I’ll see you this a while back I got ringworm which is a fungus and it appears to be ubiquitous on Marshall arts mats and I’ve been doing combat fighting for 33 years. Then I read up on it in my naturopathic book and it said it thrives on an organism that is acidic and at the time I was drinking loads of caffeine. So I stopped drinking caffeine and the stuff went away even though I saw on some of the other guys So yes, it is pure to be contagious but not really there was more to it than that I was providing an environment for this fungus to thrive when I became healthier it went bye-bye. So we don’t know all the answers that’s for sure but I can guarantee you there is no such thing as a virus that has been established beyond a doubt if you saw how virologists make a so-called virus in a petri dish it would be laughable excepted so many people have lost their lives and or their livelihood because of the virus Fraud

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Lisa Thomas's avatar

So worts and Molluscum are caused by a fungus?

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Chris's avatar

No I didn’t say that but they’re certainly not caused by a virus Many of these things are just your bodies only way of detoxifying besides your liver your skin is the way your body detoxify poisons. A better way of looking at all of these things are not that they are diseases but just symptoms or methods by which your body is trying to purge poison

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Chris's avatar

Shingles would be an example of a detoxification through your skin All be it a very painful one

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sadie's avatar

detoxifying from latent chicken pox

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Chris's avatar

It’s like an old rotten banana. did the fruit flies make the banana rot? Or did the rotting banana bring the fruit flies ? If your body is rotting it will bring on symptoms of detoxification . the symptoms did not make your body start to rot. You get warts because something in your body is out of homeostasis, in your body is trying to bring balance back by detoxifying through these unpleasant symptoms. Detoxification sucks just ask anybody in a methadone clinic detoxifying from heroin. In extreme cases detoxification can kill you

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Lisa Thomas's avatar

I need a specific cause, especially for something as localized as a wort. Personally, I like this new mushroom explanation even if it turns out to be just another myth.

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Paul Della's avatar

I am on record as saying I don’t believe in viruses, I could be wrong and it’s only something I have come to conclude in the last year or two.

There is definitely a bio weapon designed to kill maim and sterilise - it’s the ‘vaccine’.

But riddle me this regarding polio- if there is not a virus what is in the polio vaccine ??, if they are lying about polio what else are they lying about ?

1824: Metal workers had suffered for centuries from a paralysis similar to polio caused by the lead and arsenic in the metals they were working with. English scientist John Cooke observed: 'The fumes from these metals, or the receptance of them in solution into the stomach, often causes paralysis.'

1890: Lead arsenate pesticide started to be sprayed in the US up to 12 times every summer to kill codling moth on apple crops.

1892: Polio outbreaks began to occur in Vermont, an apple growing region. In his report the Government Inspector Dr. Charles Caverly noted that parents reported that some children fell ill after eating fruit. He stated that 'infantile paralysis usually occurred in families with more than one child, and as no efforts were made at isolation it was very certain it was non-contagious' (with only one child in the family having been struck).

1907: Calcium arsenate comes into use primarily on cotton crops.

1908: In a Massachusetts town with three cotton mills and apple orchards, 69 children suddenly fell ill with infantile paralysis.

1909: The UK bans apple imports from the States because of heavy lead arsenate residues.

1921: Franklin D. Roosevelt develops polio after swimming in Bay of Fundy, New Brunswick. Toxicity of water may have been due to pollution run-off.

1943: DDT is introduced, a neurotoxic pesticide. Over the next several years it comes into widespread use in American households. For example, wall paper impregnated with DDT was placed in children's bedrooms.

1943: A polio epidemic in the UK town of Broadstairs, Kent is linked to a local dairy where cows were washed down with DDT.

1944: Albert Sabin reports that a major cause of sickness and death of American troops based in the Philippines was poliomyelitis. US military camps there were sprayed daily with DDT to kill mosquitoes. Neighboring Philippine settlements were not affected.

1944: NIH reports that DDT damages the same anterior horn cells that are damaged in infantile paralysis.

1946: Gebhaedt shows polio seasonality correlates with fruit harvest.

1949: Endocrinologist Dr Morton Biskind, a practitioner and medical researcher, found that DDT causes 'lesions in the spinal cord similar to human polio.'

1950: US Public Health Industrial Hygiene Medical Director, J.G. Townsend, notes the similarity between parathion poisoning and polio and believes that some polio might be caused by eating fruits or vegetables with parathion residues.

1951: Dr. Biskind treats his polio patients as poisoning victims, removing toxins from food and environment, especially DDT contaminated milk and butter. Dr. Biskind writes: 'Although young animals are more susceptible to the effects of DDT than adults, so far as the available literature is concerned, it does not appear that the effects of such concentrations on infants and children have even been considered.

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Hilary Butler's avatar

Antibody studies were done a long time ago, on aboriginal people - one of them was patagonian indigenous who never had any experience with the toxic compounds you have listed above, all of which I have studied.

Neither did they have access to refined sugar, and sugar is also essential to allowing the polio virus access to the body. Read Dr Benjamin Sandler's book.

and go to pubmed and put in polio and sugar and read what comes up. You can see that they knew and KNOW that you can't grow poliovirus without sugar and there was a good reason why early on, the oral polio virus vaccine was given on a sugar cube.

Neither did these indigenous people have access to tonsillectomy which gives you a 600 times greater chance of having clinical bulbar polio because tonsils and adenoids are the key gatekeeper for mucosally contracted pathogens of all kinds.

But all indigenous peoples studied had antibodies to all three types of polio. None of them had a word for polio.

When Salk was studying polio in the Phillipines, the indigenous people there called it the white man's disease pointing to the vast amount of junk food they ate and the poisons that the American soldiers sprayed in their basis. Polio in the bases had a hit rate of 1 in 70. at that time, the indigenous people had no other words for it other than "white man's disease" Once they adopted white man's ways, clinical polio started to be seen in indigenous people.

If you look at history, polio has always been around, and showed in sporadically only. BUT it was rarely a clinical entity pre 1700 EXCEPT where there was some poisonous adjuvant. In ancient egypt that could be toxic components such as ergot in grain - there are many possible natural origins of toxic components from fungus or fermentation.

I came across a thesis from the 50's where a doctor noted that clinical polio was primarily seen in children who had eaten sprayed vegetables and fruit and part of his thesis pointed out that the sprays had a direct impact on the integrity of the mucosal membranes resulting in a "leaky" interface.

Toxins are a huge adjuvant for viruses and bacteria.

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Paul Della's avatar

I would refer you to a Steve Kirsch substack and a reply or replies to the same post I made by Guy Duperreault.

https://kirschsubstack.com/p/western-australia-health-authority/comment/41002939#comment-41007089?utm_source=activity_item

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Hilary Butler's avatar

Oh and I do read regularly at Sam Bailey's substack.

You know what really appalls and pisses me off? Just read the comments. Apparently Ark medic and a whole long long long list of people like the resisting doctors, and laypeople like myself, are part of a psy-op controlled opposition plan to stop people listening to the virus deniers.

Worse still, at the core of the virus and bacteria deniers core thoughts, is they unspoken belief that millions of doctors, scientists and researchers over the centuries have all sat at their benches - or whatever they do, knowingly - looking at "nothing" and deliberately lied about it to feather their own nests, CVs and reputations.

And they have deliberately done that to deceive and mislead...

Nothing could be further from the truth, but we all have the right to believe what we want to.

What I can say is that the current rhetoric from the no virus people does no-one any favours, especially when calling everyone else liars, grifters, shills and controlled opposition.

The fact is that you didn't come here with any intention of listening and your opening sentence was a bait and hook.

The second to last paragraph is one reason why I don't normally respond to virus deniers, so will now go back to my default position.

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Hilary Butler's avatar

Okay, I'm sure all you virus deniers know best.

quite why you even bother to come to these sorts of blogs is beyond me. If there is "nothing" other than toxins in your opinion, then why argue about nothing?

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Paul Della's avatar

Sorry, I should have said I respectfully refer you to this ….

I am not arguing but putting forth my opinion.

An opinion I might add shared by Mike Yeadon who everyone should have respect for.

I also have immense respect for Arkmedic, Katherine Watt and Steve Kirsch who all believe in the virus theory.

However people like Sasha Latypova don’t.

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Hilary Butler's avatar

Mike Yeadon has backtracked to "there was no new coronavirus"....

It's important to be very circumspect in what is said, and how. What we are all faced with, is a small limited collection of puzzle pieces, but no complete picture to know where to put those pieces. To say there are no viruses and no bacteria, is to have no ability to put pieces in the right places, the sort of way that Ark Medic does.

The people who made this, know the complete picture, and are basically sitting there laughing at how slow most of us are to even find the pieces. They are no doubt delighted at the schisms being created and calling people grifters and CO etc. Gives them a great lever to call contrarians, psychopaths and other epithet. And the more everyone spears each other, the harder they laugh

They think that they have the advantage because they walk in lockstep, and only the "awake" see what they are doing. And they are right. We do indeed live in a similar mindset to many times in past history, where the majority will go along to get along, and the rest fight amongst themselves to no useful end.

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Paul Della's avatar

BTW here is the post 1950 polio spiel

What I find very interesting is 1956, I know a lady who got Bell’s palsy from the jab, that makes sense to me she had 3 jabs and was no doubt full of heavy metals and poison

1950 onward …..

1949-1951: Other doctors report they are having success treating polio with anti toxins used to treat poisoning, dimercaprol and ascorbic acid. Example: Dr. F. R. Klenner reported: 'In the poliomyelitis epidemic in North Carolina in 1948 60 cases of this disease came under our care... The treatment was massive doses of vitamin C every two to four hours. Children up to four years received vitamin C injection intramuscularly... All patients were clinically well after 72 hours.'

1950: Dr. Biskind presents evidence to the US Congress that pesticides were the major cause of polio epidemics. He is joined by Dr. Ralph Scobey who reported he found clear evidence of poisoning when analyzing chemical traces in the blood of polio victims.

Comment: This was a no no. The viral causation theory was not something to be questioned. The careers of prominent virologists and health authorities were threatened. Biskind and Scobey's ideas were subjected to ridicule. 1953: Clothes are moth-proofed by washing them in EQ-53, a formula containing DDT.

1953: Dr. Biskind writes: 'It was known by 1945 that DDT was stored in the body fat of mammals and appears in their milk... yet far from admitting a causal relationship between DDT and polio that is so obvious, which in any other field of biology would be instantly accepted, virtually the entire apparatus of communication, lay and scientific alike, has been devoted to denying, concealing, suppressing, distorting and attempts to convert into its opposite this overwhelming evidence. Libel, slander, and economic boycott have not been overlooked in this campaign.'

1954: Legislation recognizing the dangers of persistent pesticides is enacted, and a phase out of DDT in the US accelerates along with a shift of sales of DDT to third world countries.

(Note that DDT is phased out at the same time as widespread polio vaccinations begin. Saying that, polio cases sky rocket only in communities that accept the polio vaccine, as the polio vaccine is laced with heavy metals and other toxins, so the paralysis narrative starts all over again. As the polio vaccines cause huge spikes in polio, the misinformed public demand more polio vaccine and the cycle spirals skyward exponentially)

1956: the American Medical Association mandated that all licensed medical doctors could no longer classify polio as polio. All polio diagnosis would be rejected in favor of Guillian-Barre Syndrome, AFP (acute flaccid paralysis), Bell's Palsy, Cerebral Palsy, ALS, (Lou-Gehrig's Disease), MS, MD etc etc. This sleight of hand was fabricated with the sole intent of giving the public the impression that the polio vaccine was successful at decreasing polio or eradicating polio. The public bought this hook, line and sinker and to this very day, many pro vaccine arguments are ignited by the manufactured lie regarding the polio vaccine eradicating polio.

1962: Rachel Carson's Silent Spring is published.

1968: DDT registration cancelled for the US.

2008: Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP) is still a raging in many parts of the world where pesticide use is high, and DDT is still used. AFP. MS, MD, Bell's Palsy, cerebral palsy, ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease), Guillian-Barre are all catch basket diagnosis, all similar in symtpoms, tied to heavy metal poisoning and high toxic load.

2008: WHO states on its website: 'There is no cure for polio. Its effects are irreversible.'

Conclusion: Modern belief that polio is caused by a virus is an ongoing tragedy for the children of the world. Public funds are wasted on useless and dangerous vaccines when the children could be treated with antitoxins. A call into failing vaccine mythology is warranted, as is a complete investigation of the real agenda being executed against humanity involving science, chemicals, vaccines, the medical field in general, and the government.

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Paul Della's avatar

You call it a schism

I don’t

Mike Yeadon posted the polio post recently that I have repeated here without the 1950 onwards spiel I didn’t bother with and AFAIK I don’t think he has retracted his new beliefs on respiratory viruses.

I don’t have a problem with your beliefs and would happily march for freedom from this tyranny next to you I also don’t think you or the Baileys are controlled opposition.

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Hilary Butler's avatar

It is a schism. Like I said, just look at the comments on Sam Bailey's substack and the others as well. Talk about schismatic vitriole... I can't see how you cannot see that.

There is only one basis anyone should be campaigning on. The focus should always be "choice" - the right to say NO. and that is the ONLY thing which should be the backbone of resistance, legally and personally.

And it's NOT "safe" vaccines, because there has never been a vaccine made, ever, that hasn't resulted in documented disasters (which are there if you know where to look), even though most of that has been hidden from the public.

The irony is that we are being legislated to condone and accept social nonsensity - to affirm and agree with individual's pronouns, to agree and affirm a whole long list of stuff, which if you don't agree with that version of "my body my choice" it's a hate crime.

To be consistent, the right to say no to vaccine should be enshrined as one which other people must affirm and agree with.

But it will never be accepted. Anyone who doesn't take a vaccine become a victim of hatred weaponisation, and that is okay to all those who will insist that you affirm their mores.

The hatred is weaponised because all those other "mores" have one thing in common. The inability to procreate, or the death of unborn babies, the extinquishment of life itself. And so long as that is the result it is condoned. Of course the provaccine will continually throw at you that vaccines save lives and all they want to do is save yours.

But that is not the aim with mRNA technology. It is a bioweapon killbox, and that is what it was designed to do, and it does NOT do it in the way that Ardis or the others say. It's much more serious than that.

And therefore the current rhetoric from the virus/bacteria deniers is not only unhelpful, but it's also not true either. And by not seeing what it really is about, those people put themselves in a position where they automatically rule out potential solutions, AND in their pride at their own omnipotence, and pontifical "truth", they are running character assassination campaigns when they should not be doing that.

And that is why I silently read what they write, as well as pubmed and what the provaccine write, because you have to do that in order to know where the enemies of truth are on all fronts. I don't normally engage with any of the rhetoric slingers on any side, because they are so entrenched, and have put such stock in the millions of their thoughts, and the love of their followers, that they will never see anything differently.

I just keep my eyes on what I know to be true, which is why if I reply anywhere, it's in places where I might have something to contribute because the logic of the arguments are sound. Like here, and on Kevin McKernan's substack.

However, while I know and understand that the science is important, the sole basis for freedom has to be based on the right to have ones medical choices legally affirmed, respected and accepted without mandates or any other "cost" to an individual's decision.

None of the other arguments actually matter, because if it comes down to choice, then your choice can be for any reason, whatever you believe, even if it is that the Earth is a cube and has the wrong name....

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Jonathan Reece's avatar

My completely unqualified and tentative opinion is this.

When people are vaccinated with a live virus, they can shed LIVE VIRUSES.

When people are vaccinated with a novel mRNA concoctions it is theoretical possibility for them to shed (toxic) spike PROTEIN, but presumably this cannot cause multiplication of the virus itself in the recipient.

I can't see any way for LNP's to get into a person from someone else. Consuming milk or something with LNP's in might be a possibility though.

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Jonathan Reece's avatar

Thanks for taking so much trouble. Yes, that all sounds right to me.

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Lidia's avatar

Nano, or not nano.. the NIH's own web site talks about how intra-muscular injections are used because they rapidly move product throughout the body.

"The bulky muscles have good vascularity, and therefore **the injected drug quickly reaches the systemic circulation** and thereafter into the specific region of action, bypassing the first-pass metabolism."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK556121/

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Jonathan Reece's avatar

That's a really valuable reference. Thank you.

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Truth Barbarian's avatar

Shedding is real friend. Sorry to correct you but firsthand experience here. My girlfriend and I both unjabbed but she works in a social setting and had a very small qty of liquid nano particles in her blood under darkfield microscopy. I did not.

Correct on ivermectin- DONT take it. Much is tainted with graphene and it also destroys healthy gut microbes. Eat and be healthy don’t take stuff as you can’t be sure what’s in it.

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Chris's avatar

Nope, Shedding is modern voodoo. I assure you I could make several people on this sub stack sick by just intellectually convincing them.

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Chris's avatar

If you didn’t get a needle stuck in your ass you have nothing to fear that’s what these assholes want us to think it’s ridiculous lipid nano particles get stuck in your body’s organs and there they stay, creating massive inflammation . the injected would be so lucky as to shed ithat shit t from their body but that ain’t gonna happen ever! That’s not what happened with the rats in Japan no no no that’s a total fear and divide classic technique of the globalist controllers , Divide and conquer

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AnnetteO's avatar

Have had no issues with Ivermectin either. Safe, Nobel Prize winning, drug now available again. Are you controlled opposition?

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Chris's avatar

Not not safe at all and there’s no reason to use it because there is no such thing as SARS or Covid. But if you have worms ???

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Chris's avatar

🤪

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