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Mrs S's avatar

What a stunning piece of work.

Thank you so much.

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Mrs S's avatar

And unnecessarily rude comments like yours belong on Twitter or whatever it's called these days.

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as an aside regarding the PCR/antibiotic prescription denials: my mom was diagnosed with bacterial pneumonia in 2021. the medics REALLY wanted to claim it was konvid, but even with those 45 CTs they couldn't get a positive PCR.

they tested for over 100 different things and finally identified a bacterial infection.

know what they did? forced her against her will onto a ventilator (low oxygen unconsciousness and then they just did whatever they wanted.) gave her steroids and a week of a weak antibiotic which didn't target that bacteria.

she's tough, survived the ventilator, and after a month finally managed to get the right paperwork to force voluntary checkout. they prescribed her an oxygen mask, but spent TWO YEARS denying her an antibiotic prescription while forcibly gaslighting her. she'd go to her medic (tried three different ones over that time) and they'd literally say "Why aren't you better yet?!?" as if it was my mom's fault they repeatedly refused to give her the correct treatment. several times they trapped her in the hospital due to low blood oxy readings, but she always did worse there than at home and repeatedly fought her way free in spite of being told if she left before the medic considered treatment complete they'd deny insurance coverage.

second to last time in the facility, the newest medic told her she now had terminal pulmonary fibrosis from the scarring caused by the untreated bacterial infection and liquid filling her lungs. forced her on steroids again against her will and bulldogged her into staying a week she didn't want to in the hospital with more insurance threats. oh you're going to die if you don't take the steroids and stay here and you're going to die anyway he says.

she finally got out again, was disgusted with years of no treatment, and got some mullein at the health food store. 3x a day tea for a week and she actually finally cleared her lungs. went back for rescan, lungs clear. medic says look I cured you of this terminal illness. moron.

her lungs were damaged though. she was doing better and getting by OK until she fell and broke 4 ribs a few months back.

got taken to the hospital again, they freaked out about blood oxy again and put her on a forced oxygen mask. but as I learned to my disgust, the new and improved treatment for broken ribs is painkillers with no wrap or cast or brace or anything to stabilize the damage. they're supposed to give you good enough painkillers to be able to breathe while you heal, but they gave her the weakest thing they could get away with to make it look like they were doing their jobs instead. I had no idea they could get away with near zero treatment of multiple broken ribs and still make you stay in their worthless facility.

they killed her by keeping her in a bed with forced oxygen with every breath being intense pain and insufficient medication to let her breathe normally. they offered her the "choice" of another ventilator or signing a DNR. she told them where they could stick the ventilator.

at least we had just enough warning for family to gather with her the night she died.

but I firmly believe she was killed by scamdemic-protocol malpractice. it would've been much faster if she wasn't so tough. bacterial pneumonia treatment should not have been ignored for two years, but that was the protocol.

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Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

That's a horrible story. And unfortunately I believe it. If you want to share the records I'll have a look at them. I can't guarantee that I can afford the time but I can certainly look at whether they gave her antibiotics, although I think you've covered that. The question is whether you want to make a case. If it's the UK you can file a GMC complaint for which you don't need a lawyer, or a CQC complaint against the hospital.

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feesgarden digs & potterings's avatar

RIP Somedude's mom. It is horrible this stuff as is so believable as we all just witnessed it. We've literally ended up as a society terrified of going to hospital. Know of an old person in the UK who fell and broke his hip and was taken away to hospital to be never seen again by his family 2020 style. Shame on the NHS with these zero treatments and 'good death' protocols.

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Katherine's avatar

The people who did this to your mother are guilty of medical malfeasance, & human torture, in my opinion. We are currently going through something a bit like this with my father-in-law in Germany, but it is a pale shadow of medical malpractice compared with your mom's experience.

He has come down with bladder infections post upper respiratory infections this fall and last.

And despite being full of infection they refuse to prescribe antibiotics!

He is 88, and now bedridden, but his wife, who is 82, won't let them take him to hospital again because they nearly kill him each time.

So, now they are home, she is looking after him, with some nursing help, & when he's ill, they refuse to provide antibiotics, saying at his age it's better to let "nature take it's course!"

Good lord. No matter how old someone is I'm not letting them die of a raging bladder infection. So after lots of rangleing, he gets his antibiotics and makes a full recovery.

It's just unbelievable to witness.

If anyone thinks that across the Western World they aren't trying to kill off our elders, think again. The new "protocols" are obviously designed to do just that.

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SomeDude's avatar

thanks.

it was in central Missouri in the US.

I don't have the paper trail of doctors she went through or really even her medical history. just the last hospital, and it'd cost me good to track it all down and get copies from em all. I heard her story direct from her as it rolled out, so I doubt everything she was told verbally aligns with what they put in her records.

the last place, I did my research on broken ribs and came to the unfortunate conclusion I'd have to be rich to get more effective treatment. they were within standard protocols with the forced oxygen by claiming they gave her adequate painkillers in the records and it's just anecdotal evidence from me and my relatives that she said they weren't sufficient to breathe without pain.

it's like her appendix surgery where they didn't anaesthetize her fully and she heard the surgeon offer to let the intern do the procedure. he of course denied it and the hospital refused to release the video record without lawyer pressure we couldn't afford.

lawyers round here don't like contingency on malpractice suits apparently unless they're easier to pin and big money

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Kitsune, Maskless Crusader.'s avatar

Patients own their medical records. Doesn’t mean the hospital won’t make you fought it out in court to get them though.

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SomeDude's avatar

the hospital outright refused to give her the video records, and she couldn't afford a lawyer... much less a high dollar lawyer with a chance of winning against the medical industry

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Kitsune, Maskless Crusader.'s avatar

Write your congressman and the newspapers. This is criminal activity they are engaging in.

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SomeDude's avatar

likely past the statute of limitations and I've got no hard evidence.

even if I did I can't afford the time, energy, or money to pursue justice.

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Abigail Starke's avatar

That is really sad! I’m so sorry. I believe the same: the forced ventilation weakened my husband; he was given Midazolam; not given the right antibiotics; and I don’t think they gave him any anticoagulants for the repeated blood clots. I said many times he just had the bacterial pneumonia, and I didn’t want the ventilator and they made me look like the bad guy. So so hard and sad. Miss him dearly. Lost him a year ago Sept 27. 🥹😞

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Elizabeth Leslie's avatar

So sorry for your loss Abigail.

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Fast Eddy's avatar

Wow. Brutal

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Katherine's avatar

I'm 63 and you won't get me into a hospital unless I'm unconscious.

And if I wake up in there I'll be working on my escape every moment until I leave, one way or another!

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Katherine's avatar

So, so sorry. The human toll of this inhumane campaign is truly heartbreaking.

I lost loved ones too. And know no one who has not.

We must rise up, peacefully, but with utter determination, and take up Nations and our lives back from whoever, whatever planned this whole thing.

Because, frankly, it took planning to pull off.

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Abigail Starke's avatar

Very, very hard to live without my best friend! I wish I could go see him and not have to wait. I wish I could rewind the time. If only is all I have here. If any money or things, could get him back. I know he’s free in Heaven. My life was filled with joy when he was here. He served others. He was selfless. When he passed, I really felt my heart rip out of me. Yes, it’s physically there but emotionally squeezed out and hurting. There is not a big enough bandage to cover the hole, the wound that was created when he flew away. I was a blessed woman and I’m so grateful that I was able to be in his life and serve him, love him, kiss him, help him, learn from him. 💔😞😖

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Avalanche's avatar

My beloved husband died suddenly 12 years ago. Alas, I know your pain; I described to a friend: it was as if the "cord" linking my heart to his had been TORN OUT by the root and I could just feel my heart bleeding out.

My blessed friend said: 'no, that's not it. You're USED TO having the 'heart cord' going two ways: (unconscious) feedback and connection (because you HAVE that feedback and connection in the flesh). You're STILL corded to him and he to you, same as before -- but the connection "type" has changed..."

Is that true? I don't know, hope so, FEEL so! -- because it DID stop the bleeding-out feeling.

Hang in there. It never gets better, but it gets entirely tolerable...

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Abigail Starke's avatar

That/this does help! Thank you. I’m sorry you had to go through this too. Nothing can really explain the pain and loss and it’s so helpful to know others understand. Eases it...I want to be his here. I’m glad I still am. I liked belonging to him. I loved it. I felt safe and special. I was needed. He was my happy person. My happy place. My safe space. We read each other’s hearts and minds. I didn’t have to perform or do anything different to know that he wanted to be with me and I with him. Marriage for us was truly oneness. It’s as if I am being but without him it is hard to fully feel that I am being. I don’t want to be a widow, single. I don’t want to be without him. Goal for me is to serve others, reaching out even more for and with pol who have special abilities. That helps but it hurts. I wish I could climb any mountain, ride any pathway, fly any sky, take any train, swim any body of water, walk any street, just to be with him. One day, I will see him vertically (standing), jumping, running, and I hope I can dance with him. Here he sat in his wheelchair and he worked, drove in it. His chair was part of him. He was a person who was a quadriplegic and I met him that way. What he could NOT physically do, he made up for it by listening and doing whatever he could to help others. Awwww he was amazing. His disABIliTY didn’t limit him it at all! He was always trying to figure out how to fix the chair, the house, how to help at work, how to make life better! For others and then him. He was OTHER centered and many times to do the detriment of himself. He gave all he had for others so they could and would be successful and so they would know Him. He didn’t like the chair but he would say many times that he was better because he was in it and that God had a reason. How many ppl can say that. He worked 14 years for Disney until the pandemic and the retired. Then he worked at Sea World. Before the parks, he drew wheelchair ramp blue prints and ordered materials, gathered funding and materials, organized volunteers to help build it. Of all ppl, he could have received govt help but he didn’t and didn’t want to. I was trying to write his story. I need to try again. Im sorry for the long post. I wish I could post pictures of him here. Around 100 ppl came to his service and around 500 ppl watched it online. What a tremendous gift that I had and wish I could still physically hold. And if only he didn’t take that poison but he thought he was helping himself and others.

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Avalanche's avatar

"I’m sorry you had to go through this too."

Alas, it's the human condition. I have always said (I'm 66) that even all the bad and painful and horrible stuff I've been through has been worthwhile because I LIKE who I am! I would not be where and who I am without the bad parts of my life too!

You may recognize this: I had to struggle to accept that ... no one wanted to hear me describe the little things we had and did just with each other. A common one: if one or the other of us told something the other didn't know, we'd laugh and say: "that's a D.N.K. -- a did-not-know"! Nobody ELSE knows that jokey-saying; nobody wants to... {shrug} So many little things you trip over... And, over time, you accept that. I still talk to his pictures, (live in his house, run his business...) because IF there is an afterlife, and I expect there is -- then he's there and knows what's going on here... And if not? It makes me feel good anyway!

Hang on Abigail; it gets more tolerable, and then better... You discard the bad or hard parts (and no marriage exists without those); and you remember warmly and with pleasure the good and happy parts. And, at first -- you can't quite figure out how to go on.... but day by day you work it out.

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Madame DeFarge's avatar

Absolutely not "peacefully". Execute the perps.

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Abigail Starke's avatar

I just want him and wish all of this was a bad dream.

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Abigail Starke's avatar

Thank you

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Guido's avatar

That's despicable what they did !!

I remember back in 2014 I had super high blood pressure and it wouldn't come down, so I went to the emergency room. They admitted my right away and attempted to bring my pressure down, ... unsuccessfully. After three days, it was slightly lower, but still pretty darn high and I told them that if they couldn't get it down in three days, that I'm going home. The Doc gave me that same song and dance threat about how leaving without the Dr. giving the Okie Dokie, that I would be stuck paying the entire bill out of pocket because my insurance would refuse to pay. Well, they screwed with the wrong old fart because I had experienced a thing or two in that regard. This is what I told them

1. I am retired and on Social Security.

2. I own my home and do not have much use for Credit.

3. I also know that my Social Security CAN NOT be garnished Unless you are the Fed Gov or The Stat.e Are you either of those entities ???

4. If you don't have my discharge papers ready by the time I get dressed and get downstairs, YOU Can Eat The Entire Bill !!

5. You Got About 8 Minutes, don't think about it too long !!!

Well well, well, whaddya know ?? lol When I got to the checkout window, the paperwork was already there. Like Magiiiic !!

I have heard it said that "it's good for a man to know his limitations". I think it was a Harry Callahan line from a Dirty Harry movie,

But I also discovered, It's Good For Me To Know THEIR Limitations too.

You should have seen the look on that Dr's face though, when I told him in my usual stern ornery, just try me, fashion, "You Got 8 Minutes !!" ....... Priceless !!

Then in Feb 2022 I fell and broke two ribs. Not cracked, I been there before, but broken, judging by the way they were moving all around. I didn't bother with the hospital at all, since all they might do is wrap me and I or anyone near me could do the same. I had stopped taking all pharmaceuticals back in the fall of 2020, including pain meds, so it was a rough slog for the next few months. On day three I sneezed and thought I had lost my damn spleen !! It took a LOT longer to heal than I thought it would and 6 months later I was still feeling pain and stiffness, although mild by then.

It reminded me of the time I buzzed a good bit of skin off several of my fingers on a table saw blade at work one day. Emergency room cost me $500 and all they could do was tube gauze and tape. A Walgreens and $20 and I could have done that myself and still had enough supplies left to redo the bandages for a whole month. I still use my left index finger to check 45 degree angles. Took over a decade for the skin to seem normal again., rather than thick, hard and like a recurring callous that periodically peels off. But then I had been there before too. Anyway, I better stop reminiscing about injuries or I'll likely be here all day.

You Ma was a tough one, she gave them hell and I bet they began to think she was made of Cryptonite. I am real sorry for your loss.

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Milehijules's avatar

"I still use my left index finger to check 45 degree angles." That made me laugh! My dad used his middle finger as a push stick into a wood planer. Index, middle and ring fingers are now all the same length.

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Guido's avatar

It's okay to laugh. People usually do when I tell stories of my misadventures. They laugh in my face, then apologize for laughing, then continue laughing. lol I laugh with them, it was the intended goal anyway. I always said, "The moment you can't laugh, yer screwed". so I always tell it in a humorous way. Like the very first time I ever got stitches. I got a hundred of them. I fell through a window, ..... on the roof. Good times, ... good times. lmao

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thanks. yes, she was and did.

similar to your experience, I had a work-caused accident in 06 or thereabouts (trained to override machine safety protocols and impatient/dumb enough to do it.)

Gore warning for the squeamish...

lost the flesh on most of the last segment of my left index finger and crushed most of that bone. metal cnc machine, early morning stupidity, hit the close button for the main chuck mechanism to move /while/ greasing it. with the safeties on, it would've moved slowly enough to dodge. without, all I could do was look at it and think "well, there's no taking THAT back."

the chuck still had the end on my finger in it, and the bone had been ejected between reflexive speedy retreat and the squishing process. I sighed as I realized there really wasn't much I could do and ejected the remnant of myself with the button again. put it in a clean rag and wrapped another close enough to sterile rag coated in fresh white machine grease around my damaged finger. went to catch management who started moving faster than I'd seen them go before, to grab appropriate personnel.

the EMT on shift turned white, left the rag wrapped on it and showed me to hold my arm up above my heart and where to press to cut blood flow to the end for minimizing bleeding.

squished the flesh too much to reattach, they told me at the er when I brought it in a cup of ice and smacked it down on the front counter after they snidely inquired what brought me there.

got me into the back real quick, that did. my upper management department boss who drove me there after I declined an ambulance ride said there was another guy nearly as damaged that they made wait for at least an hour. I'm guessing that he just wasn't as theatrical about check in as I was.

on closer to the meat of the story, now that it's properly set up. I go in with a smashed off finger and they get me quick into the er back room. the staff there are impressed about the advice to block the elbow area artery with pressure, and pour tons of povidone iodine arm over the finger after unwrapping it.

I've been doing an unintentional star trek Vulcan impression throughout this whole debacle from that initial realization of an unreversible somewhat major event. that's just how my body and brain roll when big problems occur. they are AWESOME and are one of my regular sources of gratitude to the Grand Chaos or whatever.

I expect this next bit was less incompetence and more due to me not squawking about the pain level. I never felt a thing until during my hospital stay.

I reminded the staff that it's been a half hour since I became more intimately acquainted with the machine than I'd consented to, and no matter how good my system was, my endorphins would likely wear off soon. then requested a local nerve blocker, which they speedily agreed to and made me extra grateful for the endorphins again by putting the needle in my palm.

I then proceded to wait for over 8 hours for the surgeon to get to me. they strung me along the whole time refusing food and water because "she's just finishing her current schedule," then "she's on lunch," then they just stopped providing excuses for her until she was finally ready well after the normal end of my work day.

I had to request an IV to avoid dehydration because they denied me water for so long. that's a 2 for 2 count so far on things I asked for because I'm aware and someone else less cognizant may have ended up hurting a lot because of staff not thinking to provide seriously needed things.

I demanded a local anesthetic because I didn't trust them enough for a general. they used a Bier block, tourniqueted my arm, drained the blood, and replaced it with an anesthetic. actually pretty cool and very effective. I was warned after an hour of it there was an increased risk of tissue damage.

the surgery prep nurses seemed a bit put off that I was joking while they were as well, I don't think they were used to people being awake. they blocked my view of my arm with a curtain but I could still see the machines with blood pressure and pulse rate.

I played with biofeedback to pass the hour and ten minutes that my arm was under. plus and minus 5 on both readouts just for fun. kept the changes small so nobody was alarmed by the numbers.

anyway, I could still hear them.

they used small side cutter pliers to shorten the smashed bone, scalpel, and needle/thread for the flesh. that's all. in a real emergency I could totally do that if my endorphins held as long as they did that day. they typically do outlast the main pain of big flesh wounds...

insult to injury beyond your experience, the surgeon was clearly also too used to folks being unconscious or barely awake, and told the nurses as I was wheeled out that she left a tiny bit of fingernail root she could've just swiped off with the scalpel, and then told me she'd like to do a whole separate surgery to remove it.

as if I was going to bring her thousands of dollars more income for her incompetence, even if it was Workman's Comp insurance. I have a 1/16" dot of clawlike fingernail there to this day that I just trim or file down as far as possible.

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Guido's avatar

Years ago I worked in a magnesium & aluminum foundry, then an aluminum forge with 4K ton hydraulic presses, then in a a heat treat working with liquid nitrogen and years later a steel foundry. Lots of danger in those places. I accidentally froze my hand once with the liquid nitrogen. Yeah, you only want to do that once lol and do whatever it takes to make the freezing stop ASAP. Stuck my hand in a steam jig, and blasted it without closing the jig. Whew, close one. lol It was a stress relieving process that goes from real cold to real hot so it was lucky the steam jig was right next to the chest freezer nitrogen container.

I still have one thumb that is, over 20 years later, still 33% larger than the other thumb. I was rolling thick steel platforms down a roller conveyor and someone called my name and distracted me at the exact moment the thousand pound steel plate rolled right into the next one, ... with my thumb between them. It was cartoonish looking for the first year, like a bozo shoe on my hand. lol It had a double thick thumbnail for well over a decade. I went back to work for the rest of the day, after absorbing the agony for 10 minutes. .

At the steel foundry I got a splinter one day from spinning a wooden mold for ductile steel rings for large concrete tube connectors. It entered at the base of my palm right at the wrist and went in all the way across my palm until it nearly poked out between my index and middle finger. I asked my buddy in the mold ship if they had any tweezers. As IF that would work, then I asked him for some pliers. He asked me if I wanted him to get the medics, I said no. He asked me what I was going to do, I told him, I'm Going To Pull It Out. He asked Can I Watch? Sure !! As I clenched my teeth and yanked it out.. It was a 4 inch long triangle shaped spear of 2X4 all the way across my palm. Put my gloves on and went back to work. The only time I ever went to the ER from work was years later on the table saw finger buzzing, when I realized I shouldn't have bothered. sigh.

I just had a thought I found funny. One thing I am fairly certain of, .... Millennials will NEVER tell stories like ours. lmao Real jobs don't have Safe Spaces, or Hug Pillows.

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Akimbo's avatar

I am sorry to read this. I relate to your experience though. My mother's death was tragic and preventable and cruel, too. They were heinous before Covid. Covid was just a 'Purge' version of the criminal healthcare system. A free-for-all to euthanize without fear of punishment.

In 2012, my mom died. She was inpatient and she'd had a diagnostic heart cath procedure. After recovery, they took her back to her room and put her back on blood thinners...there she stayed for 9 days. On discharge, they removed her IV and she started vomiting blood.

The discharge nurse got her to the ICU and that's when they realized no one had checked her cath site for hematoma. The inflatable device they'd placed on it 9 days earlier had never even been removed. When they had removed her IV, her circulatory system collapsed and they could never get an IV line back in, after that.

She died of hypovolemic shock due to a huge hematoma that had formed in her retroperitoneal cavity. I watched this all unfold for 7 hours while she died in the ICU, and they couldn't give her a blood transfusion or pain & nausea medication because they could not get a line in. It was brutal.

When I finally received her death certificate the doctor indicated the cause of death was 'pulmonary embolism.'

No. It wasn't. I was there & they told me & my husband what was happening. Anyway...I get her medical records and they withheld the incriminating pages. I take them to Court to force disclosure, and the judge says "you have to have a lawyer to get those pages," but the lawyers all say "I need to see those pages to know if it's worth my time."

If you are old or have comorbidities, there is no justice for your wrongful death. Neither the Courts nor the lawyers place any value on your life if no 'earning potential' was lost when you died. It's always all about $$.

It is the most painful realization when it happens to your mom. I know I have never felt as special to someone since she died....the absolute disregard for her wonderful life.

I hate what they did to your mom and my mom....I hope something changes. I don't know how people find humanity after participating in the events that led to your mom's and my mom's deaths. Do they just operate on self preservation? Is anything even fixable?

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TierDoc's avatar

Oh my God 😖

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Jolene's avatar

I’m so sorry for your loss.

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Abigail Starke's avatar

Thank you.

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grr's avatar

If that was my mum those "medical" staff would be dead and I'd be in prison or on the run....

Fuck these scumbags.

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Katherine's avatar

I'm with you. My only consolation was that my parents had already died, Dad in 1995, Mom in 2010. If these bastards had tortured my parents to death I would have lost my mind.

Luckily they both detested them & hospitals, a lot, so would likely have stayed home, taken IVM, HCQ, + Zinc + Zithromax, like Dr. Zelenko prescribed.

Or FLCCC.

Or myfreedoctor.com

But, if they'd captured and killed them I'd be ready to pull these monsters down by any means possible.

Killing people's parents is a VERY bad idea. Hope each and every one of them gets their just due, and fast.

🙏🙏🙏

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grr's avatar

There have been revenge attacks. One went viral last year; Queensland, Australia an enraged shirtless man in a car park pinched the window out of a car and grabbed the driver while screaming at him "You killed her, you injected her and now she's dead".

The media of course is not showing this and others as they don't want the plebs getting ideas.

My mother is wide awake and at 80 she is not going to allow them to poison her. We keep a close eye on her and my sister attends all of her medical appointments with her. Actually it's more accurate to say we are keeping a close eye on her "doctors". If anything untoward was to occur the doctor will have my brother and I waiting in the carpark for a little chat.

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Tim Boyer's avatar

Can I publish your comment in my unpublished Book Blood Red? Nothing speaks Lowder that true events. A work in progress link here: https://sharely.page.link/nMGDhAeUEaNbDsXs5 of my opening of Ch 13. Not only antibiotics but Pneumonia vaccinations were stopped globally.

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Maxstirner's avatar

what "jurisdiction" is this??

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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

Yep. The virus/no virus debate is a weaponised false binary designed to distract from the killing. You are going to get a lot of hysterical comments here complete with random links, everyone pushing their pet thought bubble/hero, not seeing the bigger picture while convincing themselves that it is you who is like, not seeing it, man.

This is the natural outcome of catastrophic loss of trust in 'experts' (which, of course, was the intention all along).

Edit: and where are my manners? Thank you very much for the article.

'Novirus' people also need to understand that they are running interference for the psychopaths doing gain-of-function research at the BSL4 bioweapons facility in Melbourne, signed off by WEF devotee former health minister Greg Hunt. That is what their 'advanced understanding' is facilitating https://vicparkpetition.substack.com/p/australias-gain-of-function-research

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R!CKYRANTS's avatar

Absolutely fucking not. The good faith “no virus” camp knows murder happened. People who believe in fictional pathogens can be persuaded to place the blame elsewhere and they still do. They are sympathetic to people who still mask. They follow rules that don’t make any sense. Shunning people seeking the truth is some controlled opposition bullshit which you likely picked up from a freedom movement fraud.

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RE Nichols's avatar

Those masks do not prevent viruses from spreading. They cause respiratory infections such as bacterial pneumonia.

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R!CKYRANTS's avatar

WHAT VIRUSES???

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SaHiB's avatar

You, too.

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Paul Della's avatar

Disagree 100%

. “The virus/no virus debate is a weaponised false binary designed to distract from the killing.”

“Novirus' people also need to understand that they are running interference for the psychopaths doing gain-of-function research at the BSL4 bioweapons facility in Melbourne, signed off by WEF devotee former health minister Greg Hunt.”

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Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

Can you clarify which bits you're disagreeing with please?

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Paul Della's avatar

The bits I quoted

I am in agreement with Sasha Latypova and Mike Yeadon and as I linked Denis Rancourt.

Also the Baileys, Cowan and Kaufman and of course Stefan Lanka.

I have no doubt they are trying GOF with ‘viruses’ but alas no success - just like many other Government programs - money laundering.

I am in agreeance with you on probably everything else - if you want to think this makes me some sort of enemy or destroys the freedom or truth movement that’s up to you.

It’s pretty easy to agree to disagree.

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Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

Not at all. Provided you don't spam the thread I like to see a bit of pushback. It should be directed at the specific arguments in the article though. For instance if you have an alternative to the PCR argument or can show that PCR has a much lower specificity than 90% then post the document link.

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Paul Della's avatar

Appreciate that and I do admire what must be painstaking and time consuming work to out these psychopaths.

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Allen's avatar

You say you like to see pushback and when you get some you either ban people (for benign comments with evidence to support their comments) or you sink to ad hominems and/or evasions.

Either respond honestly or admit you don't really like pushback.

There is simply quite a bit wrong with your article besides and beyond the debate about viral existence.

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Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

This is one of the most hypocritical comments I have ever seen here

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Katherine's avatar

Mumps. Had it.

Measles. Had it.

Rabies. Lost a horse to it after being bitten by a rabid racoon.

Chicken Pox. My daughter had it after all the freshly vaccinated kids in her class shed all over her.

Herpes. (Cold sores) caught them from my mother, as a child.

Shingles. My dad and older neighbors all had it.

Influenza. Had it.

Covid, when Delta ripped through my region, I had it. It's taken 2 years to shake off the lasting impact.

Please, spare me the "no virus" fantasy.

And, it is running Interference for the bio-weapons industry!

Talk to the doctors on the front lines.

That GOF little bug is real.

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SaHiB's avatar

Is this disagree bait? Okay, you win. I disagree. Now, go refill your thorazine.

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R!CKYRANTS's avatar

The bait is the author who seemingly debunks everything but is unwilling to look at the entirely fraudulent field of virology. Very Duesbergian of them.

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Akimbo's avatar

I view the 'no virus theory' followers differently than the 'no virus theory' peddlers. The peddlers are obvious controlled opposition...their followers aren't necessarily though. And they probably never trusted 'experts.' It takes a long time to build that kind of cynicism.

There is something to the 'IQ Bell Curve' meme, when it comes to conspiracy theorists. This is not to say I think the 'no virus theory' followers are stupid, I think they are smart enough to confidently declare, in an instant: 'This virus and these deaths don't pass the smell test!!!'

And many brilliant people on the other end of the bell agree with them. But when it gets down to the details, the smart end wants thorough answers & that can take a long while.

So, in my experience, the people following the wackiest explanations/conspiracy theories are the FIRST people to give your consideration...just don't look to them to satisfy your questions. They are experts in smelling bullshit & that's how they successfully make their way through life.

The fact is, even if no one followed the 'no virus theory', it would not stop factcheckers and talking heads from pretending there was a 'dangerous' following....or using it as a straw man so they can debunk it...OR spamming forums with fake accounts pretending to follow the 'no virus theory.'

I'm not sure they're doing too much harm BUT if you can make them understand that THIS explanation is the winning explanation and it is far more compelling than the 'no virus' explanation, I really believe they would be open to accepting it.

The Midwits are hopeless though. They are smart enough to listen to someone's credentials, dumb enough to accept their 'expert' advice, and insecure enough to never dare to draw their own conclusions.

NEVER do anything that Midwits are collectively doing.

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Paul Della's avatar

It’s not new, The Perth group full of world renowned and qualified scientists claim that the HIV virus has never been isolated, but of course that would have stopped Fauci giving everyone POISONOUS AZT had their claims been recognised

DO YOU SEE IT YET!!

“In 1997 Djamel Tahi asked Montagnier if electron micrographs of purified HIV had been published. Montagnier replied “I couldn't tell you...we have some somewhere .. but it is not of interest, not of any interest”.1 Although he accepts it is absolutely necessary to purify the virus particles in order to prove the existence of a new virus,1 in his Nobel lecture Montagnier did not produce such evidence”

https://www.theperthgroup.com/montagniernobel.html

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Akimbo's avatar

Yes, I realize it's not new...that's why it's tantalizing and is plausible to some. In the case of Covid, however, I think it's off the mark. Agree to disagree is fine with me, though. It doesn't bother me if others find it compelling. I personally think it's an engineered infectious pathogen.

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Paul Della's avatar

Well it’s more than plausible to Mike Yeadon about as genuine and honest bloke in the truth or freedom movement and considering his background in respiratory research I find it compelling.

What does bother me is people who claim the no virus mob are running interference or destroying the truth movement.

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Katherine's avatar

I love Dr. Mike Yeadon also! He is one of the best and the bravest of the past three years, imho.

But, I don't agree with the no virus piece, even so.

I've just had too much first hand experience in human and veterinarian medicine, with dozens if not hundreds of individuals, and read far too much human history, and have too many physician, Naturopath, and TCM friends who were on the front lines. Covid is real.

I caught it, when 3 friends of mine had it, one died, (mostly by hospital protocols, but still the guy was very sick,) three survived. Two with no longer term effects.

Myself with long term impact, now dissipating with Nattokinase, Bromelain, Curcumin, & Nicotine.

Trust me, there's stuff going around we need to treat, and treat right!

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Paul Della's avatar

Sasha Latypova has surmised that something may have been aerosolised in Nth Italy and maybe NY

This is a playbook they have used before - the last big pandemic - the Spanish flu was also a plandemic - never was contagion proven

Watch the first 5/10 minutes, their own studies disprove contagion

Will be likely my last post as this argument is a roundabout, hope link works

https://www.bitchute.com/video/xq0SvWvHdoGH/

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Richard Leger's avatar

ZERO need to have any adverse effects if treatment is started early: https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZxPGy1QZULyl/

Dr. Zelenko was also treating thousands successfully: https://www.palmerfoundation.com.au/hydroxychloroquine-stories-as-it-happens-timeline/

That timeline goes back all the way to the early 2020s (March or February? Forget now...).

Dr. Zelenko discussed this in April 2020: https://video.palmerfoundation.com.au/media/2020/07/Jerome-Corsi-PhD-Interviews-Vladimir-Zelenko-MD-AGAIN-04-08-20-coronavirus-covid191_-SD.mp4

One might want to download that last video and listen to it from your local drive, as the video feed might stutter straight from the website.

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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

Arkmedic has written a superb article here using biology 101, the things that the people in charge of covid decisions deliberately did not follow.

The people killing us are well-protected from the anger of the public, and so you feel the need to punch out at anyone you can because they are getting away with it. I understand your frustration.

Just know that the killers really enjoy comments like yours, and do not enjoy comments like mine.

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Cindi's avatar

Dr. Syed, thank you so much for this deep - but understandable dive into this travesty on all fronts. I was 63 in 2021 when I was dx’d with “covid pneumonia”, on home O2 24/7 for 2 weeks & gratefully treated by a nurse practitioner in an urgent care facility with z-pack, aspirin, & both inhaled & pill steroids. I was very frightened to be so sick when I never am, but I was absolutely terrified I’d end up in the hospital where I knew they would kill me. Until I read your article here, I never really realized how close to death I may well have been without proper treatment (by a common sense & compassionate practitioner) for bacterial pneumonia. It’s both deeply depressing AND cause for eternal gratitude

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Duchess's avatar

I wish this article could be diesemminated far and wide....but one of my sins is that of despair. I truly despair that what was done will ever be fully understood by so many people that it could never happen again....either they won't understand it (I barely do myself) or won't believe it.

But everything ARkMedic is explaining is indeed a true explanation of why people were killed, esp. the no antibiotics route...Just sickening to read what we knew was going on.

Like a pumch to the stomach.

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Nancy P -Cheryls Legacy's avatar

Excellent key point. Most will never even think to question unfortunately.

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Katherine's avatar

Those of who knew what was happening, and were seemingly powerless to stop it, well my hair has literally gone grey.

It's stunning.

This why the fight for Freedom of Speech, Medical Autonomy for Doctors, and Medical Freedom for All is so, so critical.

If we lose this battle humanity is finished, IMHO.

That's why so many are seeing this as a Spiritual battle even more than a scientific one.

Basic Human Rights, all of them, went under the bus.

We need a huge effort to claw our way back to compassion, courage and integrity.

Right now many of the finest truth tellers are under attack. We must ALL STAND UP, if we are to defeat this force that has arisen and has no love for anyone or anything.

Support Reiner Fullmich

Dr. Peter McCullough

Naomi Wolf

Peter & Ginger Breggins

Sherri Tenpenny

Rashid Buttar died after saying he had been poisoned.

And there are many, many more who told the truth from the very beginning.

We need Good Men and Women everywhere to find their courage.

Now!

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RussCR5187's avatar

I think WHY people were murdered goes beyond the medical details.

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The BarefootHealer's avatar

Freaking outstanding piece Dr AKS!!👏👏👏👏🎩🎩🎩🎩 You've always been good but your last two, three pieces have really levelled up😉🙌🙌

#keepemcoming #boxon #wearemany #wearememory #wewillnotforget #getlocalised 🙏🙏🙏🙏

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Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

Now this is the kind of enthusiasm I like to see! o7

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NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter's avatar

Great article. So there was a virus but not a particularly dangerous virus and one that could have easily been treated. It's what I have thought for a long time.

One question, however. How does this fit in with an engineered virus, the alleged HIV inserts and Moderna patented inserts? Was this not true or it was but the virus still wasn't that deadly with the correct treatment?

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Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

Yes totally engineered. But designed to cause chaos and impose a biofascist vaccine dictat. In fact that had already been prepared in Australia for the 3 years prior with influenza vaccine mandates for healthcare and aged care workers.

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rjt's avatar

Thank you for the review and your work.

I sat beside Professor Steven Pelech at a conference in May and we amused ourselves by calculating the stoichiometry of spikes from Vaxx vs viral infection. I can't remember the exact outcome without starting again but at least 10^9 more from the Vaxx.

I suspect that the inserts were put in the virus so they could be amplified when produced in vivo with the Vaxx.

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NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter's avatar

And the HIV inserts? Harmless to most?

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Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

No. Gp-120 has effects on t-cells and potentially neurological effects. There is no way that they can know that these inserts are safe. The only winning move is not to play.

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David Connell's avatar

Is it possible they included those nasty sequences in the spike protein knowing that a simple respiratory viral infection would stay in the lungs and not be dangerous for most people catching it. But that the plan was to deliver the spike protein including these toxic sequences via the so called vaccine.

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Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

Yep

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MarcusBierce's avatar

Thank you so much for your work Arcmedic! Quick question: Did the spike protein exist in nature naturally, before their manufacture in these bio labs? If so, when we’re they first discovered in nature?

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NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter's avatar

This is the part where I start to get confused, even with my own thoughts. So Covid is not particularly dangerous but Gp-120 means it might be? Definitely avoid the vaccine but also avoid getting Covid?

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Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

We literally don't know. If I had a choice I would avoid COVID and avoid the vaccine. Yet there is no way to avoid COVID even if you spend your life inside your house, as you will just destroy your immune system. The only thing you might be able to do is avoid the vaccine. Given that the spike protein from the virus and vaccine are the same, and the vaccine spike is magnitudes higher in quantity than anything that a virus can throw at you, your best bet is to be exposed to the virus as much as you can, whilst taking mitigating measures, hopefully creating immunity from dead viral fragments such that you have some mucosal immunity to prevent viraemia. Injecting those same spike protein inducing mRNAs (actually cDNAs now that we know about the plasmids) is playing with fire.

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NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter's avatar

Agreed. Thanks for your replies! Out of interest, have you had Covid (well, SARS-CoV-2)?

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Allen's avatar

How come I haven't had "Covid" for 3.5 years and am surrounded by people who have had "Covid" according to the fraudulent PCR test results?

I also know many other people who have never had "Covid" so what gives?

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RussCR5187's avatar

Wait. I thought the spike protein from the virus and the vaccine were NOT the same. For example, wasn't pseudouridine substituted for uridine?

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Katherine's avatar

There is the thought that Covid is slightly like airborne AIDS.

Time to treat your body very very well, IMHO.

And hang on to our rights to purchases vitamins, minerals & nutraceuticals over the counter, as well!

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Cindi's avatar

I can’t imagine that everyone hasn’t had it / been exposed by now, even if they never knew it. I believe this was circulating globally by at least summer 2019, many months before global “lockdowns”.

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Kalle Pihlajasaari's avatar

I have a nigling suspicion that it may have 'leaked' from the lab a couple of times and flopped. The final adjustments may have required testing outside the lab and resulted in the sporadic earlier outbreaks.

The spread was controlled more by the media, PCR cases and midazolam than by the virus which did what viruses do and spread to pretty much everywhere.

Australia had a hard time because when they let the virus circulate they only had 'not effective' immunity.

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MarcusBierce's avatar

Red Cross confirmed it’s existence in blood banks in the North East US as far back as Fall 2019

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Sam's avatar

There is still that weird pneumonia that happened in early 2019 in people who vaped and they blamed it on some ingredients in the vapes. I have Covid lungs with glass like opacities and I’ve never had Covid, but I vaped THC/CBD. I had lots of breathing problems last winter but it seems to have been resolved. Just too much weirdness around the timeline.

I think Italy found the Rona virus in their septic system back in September 2019 too which means that it was there for months before they found it.

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Moonspinner's avatar

Do you happen to live in North Carolina?

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Penny North's avatar

Fear was a huge factor in it all. Those who were really, really afraid, panicked and went to the hospital to find out, and thus drove their illness right into the hands of the protocols.

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SaHiB's avatar

Suicidal. Both sociopathic (going out to spread it - I didn't.) and counterproductive. Get yer brain scrape, remdesivir, and misused ventilator!

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Guido's avatar

Somehow I don't think the creation of the virus was intended to kill a lot of people. I think there was something contained in its creation that Sets Up something else. Just a hunch I have, I have no data to back up this "Feeling". I also think the vaccine has a major role to play in that Set Up. Call it a Package Deal that delivers the goods, whatever evil thing that might be.

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Skygoddess's avatar

(Thank you for that NE —-I had those same questions !) and I forgot to thank Dr.Syed for his thoughtful and enlightened “exposé” !

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Rhody Jay's avatar

Brilliant article, but only half of the story. The psychological component to this is just as evil and sinister as 80% of the world went into full limbic system panic mode. Rational thinking was demonized and those who held their rational ground were marginalized and ostracized out of society. I had one of those college flashbacks earlier this week and recalled the Christopher Browning book Ordinary Men (there is a Netflix documentary on this too) and, as always, it shows how quickly and easily people can be manipulated on a mass scale to do horrific things. Especially when the threat exists to be excommunicated from family, friends, and society. Take the medical piece plus the psychological piece and you have the perfect storm of evil.

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Erin C's avatar

Hi

In our engineering essay there is proven something similar. The final result of "up to 30,00 of real Covid-19 deaths in 2020 in the U.S." does not mean there were 30,000, but at most. The number could have been considerably closer to Zero if deaths caused e.g. by overuse of respirators, denial of antibiotics or using poisonous drugs had a similar (even partially) age-structure of decedents to the one that should be in theoretical Covid-19 fatal victims:

https://zenodo.org/record/8312871

It is difficult so requires much attention. The main aim is the method presentation.

D. + J.

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RussCR5187's avatar

I remember seeing an ICU nurse in one of Sen. Ron Johnson's covid panels, say "I never saw a patient die of covid. They died of improper treatments."

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SaHiB's avatar

Choking bronchial spasms (perhaps only for those with asthma) could also kill, and much earlier in the course of the illness than pneumonia.

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Guido's avatar

"The good news is that, as a reader of this substack, you are automatically of sufficient intelligence to understand basic terms."

Awe shucks Doc. yer tryna flatter me, aintcha ??

Sorry, I couldn't resist. lol

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Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

I'm trying to increase the subs lol

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Weasel Tales's avatar

Unfortunately, that rules out most politicians I planned to send this brilliant substack to as a follow-up from several earlier emails sent to place them on notice!

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Katherine's avatar

I'm sending it to mine, along with a lot of prayer!

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jeffrey p lubina's avatar

I’m glad Dr. Syed expanded on the False-Positive PCR tests to confirm what seemed obvious from the very being. As Dr. Syed said, “You hear this a lot on social media and the idea behind it is that the PCR tests, which have false positive rate (as all medical tests do), drove the pandemic. Without the false positive PCR tests we wouldn’t have had a pandemic at all,” which then facilitated “the fear” to push the deadly Vaxx Protocols on the entire world—which most medical doctors, clinicians and pathologists should be agreeing is responsible for a whole host of other serious medical illnesses and deaths beyond the militarized Coronavirus first developed in the 1960’s by the DoD, CIA, North Carolina University (then sipped to other labs around the world, including the UK, Israel, France, Ukraine..and at the very end between 2015-21 sent to China).

Can anyone deny that the COVID fear via false-positive PCR tests, the WHO and government fearful-warnings in conjunction with the complicit media has been methodical, just like 9/11? When you factor in the deadly jabs and the bacterial lung infections many died from—mostly as a result of not receiving prompt antibiotic treatment in the first place—has turned into the most horrific, in our face mass genocide in world history, and “they” are not finished.

None of this would have been possible without the help of the U.S. State and Justice Departments, FBI, CIA, NSA, CDC, FDA, DoD, MI666, Mossad…right down to our local sheriff’s and county coroner pathologists. To date, his genocide is in it’s early stage and being covered up; data-bases and records being destroyed, plus new plans for additional Scamdemics and compulsory Vaxx protocols in the very near future.

Though we can now prove the “intentional flaw” of the false-positive COVID tests, which Dr. Syed touches on, as well as “forced euthanasia,” this still leaves 95% of this mass genocidal story to be fully discovered and understood by the majority population. There’s still the question of “self-arranging nano-bots” found in people’s blood, brain and other organs, and in our food supply and water, and in hundreds of medications beyond vaccines (hydrogel & quantum dot technology), which almost nobody wants to discuss like real scientists, including the Lawyers within Homeland Security. And don’t forget the bio-synthetic fibrous material causing the blood clots (what the hell are they exactly); all the strokes; myocarditis & heart attacks (if that’s what they really are); the Low-Emitting MAC (Bluetooth) signals coming from both the living and the dead; the systemic spike proteins destroying natural immunity; foreign DNA…all of which many doctors and clinicians insist are the cause for widespread rapid growing cancers (turbo-cancers, as Dr. Makis has described) and “sudden death symptoms.”

(The rest of this rant continues in Notes as I cross-post Dr. Syed’s article, below) https://substack.com/profile/105331799-jeffrey-p-lubina/note/c-42058839?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=1qpmjb

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Luke Spalding's avatar

Absolutely brilliant as usual, possibly the single most important article I’ve read throughout this whole shitshow

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Abigail Starke's avatar

I have filed complaints against the state and hospital to no avail.

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Pete Wright's avatar

Excellent article, many thanks. It touched on one thing that's always bugged me, which is that we were told positive C19 cases increased suddenly immediately after jabs/boosters, and the reason is sometimes put down to a temporary weakening of the immune system by the action of the injections. OK, fair enough, but that would also imply that the virus was "everywhere, all the time, waiting to pounce", meaning the moment your defences were down, hey presto you got the virus. This seems unlikely to me, but IF the jabs directly gave the person the virus, or at least caused them to test + by PCR by some as yet undefined mechanism, then it would explain the sudden increase in post jab cases much more readily than the above "it was waiting to pounce when the vaccinees left the clinic" theory

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Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

Yes I don't think the virus is in the jabs, in fact the PCR sequences would be different.

The explanation must lie in that the viral sequences are seeded through the community at the same time as the vaccine rollout, presumably in order to foment fear and get vaccine uptake going. How it's achieved is still unknown.

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Katherine's avatar

Could you clarify, please? Because it was my understanding that the Spike Protien from the shots was the same as the Spike from the original Wuhan strain.

I have friends with young, strong healthy family members who died of "Covid" suddenly, within the 2 week magic window post injection. The only plausible explanation to me was that the injection caused so much Spike Protien production it killed her in a virtually identical way as the virus would.

Also that on autopsy, the individuals with Spike Protien antibodies but without antibodies to to whole virus, and in the brain in some "mad cow disease" type deaths, proved it was vaccine Spike, not Covid Spike.

Can you explain the difference, as you see it?

Thank you!!

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Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

The spike protein is essentially the same between the virus and vaccine, but the genetic sequence that codes for the vaccine spike is different between the four candidate vaccines

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Kalle Pihlajasaari's avatar

Is the emerging understanding that the vaccine boosters are causing immune system damage/fatigue/whatever not the most likely reason for increased cases and positives due to LOWERED resistance to what is now a pretty innocuous corona virus.

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Pete Wright's avatar

Thanks for the reply. I'm not so sure about the virus sequence being "in the actual jabs" so much as we know they instruct the person to self generate the spike protein all over the body, that's not disputed, so could there be something going on with that generated spike protein that triggers a positive test. It may sound implausible, but the idea of the virus sitting around "waiting to leap on people" the moment they've had their jabs is (to me) just as implausible

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Alberto Silva's avatar

How it's achieved - Hypothesis:

=> the previous year Flu jab, in the new cell cultured version, through the WHO/CDC Seed Strain.

to Author: have you looked into this? Cheers.

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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

A lot of the time the increase in positive c19 cases coincided with opening of borders that were previously closed. Jabbing was the 'way to open borders.' Once jabbed, it was impossible to differentiate between the effects of the jab and the open borders. RFK Jr made this mistake when referring to Ireland in his book.

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Pete Wright's avatar

Perhaps in the early days of the jab roll out but I dont think that can apply to boosters, surely borders had pretty much returned to their normal state by that time. But still we were told (and I assume it was true) that in the 2 weeks or so after jabs the likelihood of testing posituve was much higher. My post referred to why that might be the case

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Fabian Spieker's avatar

Excellent. Thank you!

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TRM's avatar

1) "Not only was there a virus, but it wasn't flu and it did result in deaths"

I had been curious about that one because none of the governments would provide proof and the Drosten "mash up" was a joke that most were using at one point.

The turning point for me was August of 2020 when Dr Borody of Australia was saying "This is easier than treating the flu now". He was using Ivermectin, Doxycycline & Zinc for his protocol. If it's easier to treat than the flu then they can't be the same thing. I don't doubt for a minute that flu deaths were relabeled as covid deaths because of the financial incentives to do so, but they are 2 different things.

Later there were electron microscope views of the virus confirming it exists. Whether or not it was the cause of the disease or deaths is another matter. It exists.

I've viewed those who were saying it doesn't exist as just providing cover for the criminals who made it. You can't charge them with creating a lethal virus if virus don't exist.

2) "whether there was an all-cause mortality increase in the US is still a bone of contention"

There definitely was but the large wave was from Nov 2020 to Feb 2021. How much was the disease and how much was due to the government's interventions is still a debate who's answer may never be known.

https://i.postimg.cc/284L0y69/ACM-vs-Vaccine-Status-2.png

3) PCR. In 2009 they did the same thing and got called frauds for it by Kary Mullis. Nobody gets to claim ignorance on this one this time around.

A court case in Manitoba the government's own expert, Chief Microbiologist and Laboratory Specialist Dr. Jared Bullard, admitted:

1) PCR test results do not verify infectiousness, and were never intended to be used to diagnose respiratory illnesses.

2) A person with Covid-19 is infectious for a one-to-two week period, non-viable (harmless) viral SARS-COV-2 fragments remain in the nose, and can be detected by a PCR test for up to 100 days after exposure.

3) The most accurate way to determine whether someone is actually infectious with Covid is to attempt to grow a cell culture in the lab from a patient sample.

4) Only 44% of the “positive” samples using a Ct of 18 returned a viable lab culture. Samples tested at a Ct of over 25, according to Dr. Bullard’s report, produced no viable lab cultures.

5) Both Dr. Bullard and Manitoba Chief Medical Officer Dr. Brent Roussin confirmed under cross-examination that Ct values are not provided to public health officials by laboratories. Dr. Roussin admitted that he could mandate that the Ct value be provided to him, but that he has not done so.

6) Manitoba has confirmed that it utilizes Ct’s of up to 40, and even 45 in some cases. This indicates “cases” resulting from such tests (above a Ct of 25) are almost certainly not actually infectious.

https://www.jccf.ca/manitoba-chief-microbiologist-and-laboratory-specialist-56-of-positive-cases-are-not-infectious/

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Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

Useful references thank you. Given the number of people I have asked this specific question I can't see that there is any transmissibility other than perhaps the most symptomatic day or two. I haven't seen anybody who has contracted COVID from a family member. I suspect it has happened but it is not the contagious virus we were led to believe. The majority of those infected appear to have been infected from exogenous sources.

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TRM's avatar

My wife got it 2 days before new years. I got it on new years eve and we're old geezers so we don't go watch the fireworks anymore LOL. So the omicron strain got to us but the original and delta never did. We may have had what professor Levitt of Stanford called pre-immunity to the original & delta. Omicron was different enough that we got it. Minor. Day 1 washed up and tired, Day 2 I knew I was getting better but still tired. Day 3 I was bored and did a light workout. Early treatment (flccc.net) was all it took to beat this thing.

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grr's avatar

Oh you caught them all did you? Where is the proof of that? Are you one of those muppets that "tests" themselves at the slightest sneeze?

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TRM's avatar

Why the vitriol? Did you have an extra bowl of "Bitch Flakes" this morning?

No I got sick once, had multiple symptoms and did the rapid antigen test which is 70% accurate in that situation. It confirmed what I already knew from the symptoms. I was sick with something. Hit it early and hard with the flccc.net protocol and was good in 2 days. Was it omicron? I don't know for sure but probably. Was my recovery a placebo effect? It could have been and I'm open to the possibility.

Tests without symptoms are worthless IMHO. I've only taken 2. That one and one previous so I could get the paperwork to forge LOL. I made it until early January 2023 without getting sick and I didn't mask, sanitize, distance, hide or inject. The CDC admitted the IFR was 0.3% in May of 2020 so every intervention since then was bogus IMHO.

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grr's avatar

"the rapid antigen test which is 70% accurate in that situation"

Ah the Rodent "Test" LOL. It is inaccurate.

"Was it omicron? I don't know for sure but probably."

So you have gone from 'I had it', to probably. Fact is you don't know and nor does any other covidiot with their similar claims.

I am sick of covidiots and their bullshit "survivor" stories.

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Jim Johnson's avatar

go away-rude POS.

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