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Great article! The 'PANDATA' crew have become increasingly hostile and obnoxious in their rhetoric; one tried to insist there was no way for a virus to transfer from 'humanized mice' to humans. The mechanism is literally in the name of the type of genetically modified mouse.

It isn't possible to refer to evidence given such evidently partisan hostilities (The Daily Beagle compiled numerous examples of vaccine research labs causing outbreaks: https://thedailybeagle.substack.com/p/vaccine-manufacturers-are-behind).

If the gain-of-function (GoF) research didn't exist, why did Ralph Baric have to fight with the White House to get the 'pause' on GoF overturned? Answer: Ralph Baric was engaging in gain-of-function.

"He [Ralph Baric] recalls that when he came back to work that Monday, he opened his email and was stunned to learn about the moratorium. He thought of all his lab's research projects. "It took me 10 seconds to realize that most of them were going to be affected," he says."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/11/07/361219361/how-a-tilt-toward-safety-stopped-a-scientists-virus-research

If GoF doesn't exist, what was the White House trying to ban?

If GoF doesn't exist and Ralph Baric wasn't doing it, why was Ralph Baric trying to overturn the law?

If GoF doesn't exist, why was Baric serializing SARS-WIV-1 through humanized mice, and not just using normal mice? Why was he trying to put a human virus into humanized mice if the virus wasn't intended for humans?

If GoF doesn't exist, why are so many countries trying to establish as many BSL-2, 3 and 4 labs as possible? Why was China trying to build a lab if it wasn't engaging in GoF research?

The evidence gain-of-function research is occurring is overwhelming. The sad part is they're still doing it.

Here's a real play: if PANDA think GoF does not exist, then call their bluff and have them endorse legislation banning it. As it supposedly doesn't exist they're not going to run afoul of the law and should have zero objections to it being outright banned.

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

So yes, this all seems rather definitive. I trusted and admired PANDA and Nick Hudson during the Covid debacle. Then when they suddenly pivoted to this 'GOF doesn't exist' narrative, which itself provided a hobby horse for the irritating 'viruses don't exist' crowd to jump aboard, I became bemused. I challenged Nick online but he seemed curiously reluctant to engage directly with the facts, so I then began to suspect that he might be the victim of an ideological obsession. The question which now arises is: did this ideological obsession result in Nick Hudson interviewing Norman Piezianek, simply as an exercise in reinforcing that ideology or was the motivation for interviewing Piezianek rather darker? Was it in fact, as hinted here, a case of Nick/PANDA knowingly assisting an attempt by an establishment bioweapons researcher to divert attention away from the nefarious and illegal activities of the bioweapons industry by inviting discord and division in the 'medical freedom community'? These are uncomfortable questions, but they must be answered, and more importantly they must be answered in a manner which does not invite more discord, disharmony and division and does not invite hordes of radical dissenters on either side hysterically screaming abuse at one another and accusing one another of being controlled opposition. Because that's a win-win situation for the powers that be. They first seed narrative confusion, which seeds division, then when their motives and methods become clearer, and the accusations start flying about who said what and why, they sit back and watch further vicious infighting, among those who are tempted to 'take sides' without calmly assessing the facts and the evidence beforehand. We can't let this happen. The stakes are too high.

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